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Monday, October 03, 2005

What's the Opposite of a "Stealth" Judge?

Agree with him or not, no one can claim to be in the dark about where Roy Moore stands. You'll probably remember him as the former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama who defied the Federal Court by erecting an giant stone monument to the Ten Commandments in his Court.

Well, "The Ten Commandments Judge" is now seeking to become "The Ten Commandments Governor." Moore would likely have to defeat the current Governor, Republican Bob Riley, in a primary in order to have a chance at the Governor's mansion. Moore, however, is not be the political novice one might think. Chief Justice is an elected position in Alabama, so he does have some experience in statewide campaigns.


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11:07 PM

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11:09 PM

Blogger James Atticus Bowden said...

If Moore wins, I'd bet he will cause a Constitutional crisis in Alabama. If you look at the details of what he did as Chief Justice and the findings by his peers on the court, you will see he didn't break the law or do anything un-Consitutional.

He could be convicted of 'tacky'. And his modus operandi was to surprise his fellow justices, not to build a consensus, and cause a confrontation.

Part of deposing him was political pay back going back for years. "All politics is local".

If he does something to confront the AL Supreme Court, he will lose again, unless he maneuvers to get his guys elected before he acts.

I don't know if he can win the primary, though.

11:25 AM

Blogger Mandelbrot's Chaos said...

Actually, the Ten Commandments monument were ruled unconstitutional at all levels of the federal judiciary. Decades of precedent have defined this as a particularly egregious violation of the "establishment" clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Furthermore, if he genuinely wanted to change the law, he eschewed legally legitimate avenues for doing so. Instead, he chose to grandstand, and for that reason, he will never have my vote. I could respect him if I genuinely had the sense that he was acting on his deeply-held beliefs. I've seen men and women of character acting on principle. I've seen them suffer as a result of their actions on those principles. Roy Moore is no such man.

8:11 PM

Blogger James Atticus Bowden said...

Mandelbrot: The courts are wrong.

8:45 PM

Blogger Mandelbrot's Chaos said...

Yes, Mr. Bowden, I understand that is your stated position. However, is it not true that he could have supported a change to the laws to take this type of case out of the federal judicial system? This would have both shown a legitimate dedication to that principle, and would have at least had the potential to effect change. My first and strongest problem with Mr. Moore is on procedural grounds. He chose to use crass populist techniques to gain notoriety instead of actually trying to enact the changes he desired in the law.

Also, I remember when I was a Christian. I remember what I would have thought then, and it is much the same as what a very Christian family member thinks: Placing the Ten Commandments in a place such as that is sacrilege. The Ten Commandments belong in a church, where people are, or should be, trying to better themselves and their families and friends; not in a courtroom that is more often a place where people are trying to avoid responsibility for their misdeeds.

10:04 PM

Blogger James Atticus Bowden said...

Sorry you're not a Christian anymore. Your loss is great.

You might have been sleeping in Sunday School when you were. Christians don't worship idols. So a plaque with scripture in a public place is not sacrilegious. Copies of God's word go well anywhere - only the profaners lose when they try to put it in 'inappropriate' places.

There is an entire ministry that puts Bibles in motel rooms.

Thanks for sharing what you disliked about Roy Moore's actions.

11:08 PM

Blogger Mandelbrot's Chaos said...

Mr. Bowden, I can understand where you may feel that the loss of my faith was great, and I respect the fact that their faith may be a source of strength for them. I was a good, very faithful evangelical Christian from basically the time of my birth until I was in my early 20s, though I'd started having questions a few years earlier. I would say that I'm still a Christian in a cultural sense, but no longer as a matter of faith.

There are several important differences between the Gideons and what Roy Moore did. First, the Gideons contract with the various hotels and motels to provide their Bibles. If a hotel or hotel chain doesn't want their Bibles in their rooms, their Bibles don't show up in the rooms at those hotels. Second, the Gideons do so in the open but quietly, not under cover of darkness for the purpose of making a huge spectacle. Finally, the Gideons don't sign Bibles like J.K. Rowling at a Harry Potter signing, unlike that which I saw in the newspaper at the church where Mr. Moore formally announced his candidacy for the governorship.

7:35 PM

Blogger James Atticus Bowden said...

I agree that the Moore's monument was tacky. Also,it was a calculated political move. And it was Constitutional.

Hope you see the truth with the eyes of your heart again.

8:11 AM

Blogger Mandelbrot's Chaos said...

In that case, should I become a judge, I'll create a 5,280 lb. monument inscribed with selections from one or more of the various Wiccan sects, Shintoist or Native American traditional faith, or the Qu'ran. I'll have it shaped in the form of said text. I'll even spin the Founding Fathers' words to make it seem as though they thought it was okay. To roughly quote J.D. from the movie "Heathers", "The extreme always makes a lasting impression." You'd almost think Roy Moore were a closet John Hughes fan...

11:16 PM


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